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If the 1950s could be said to have a Renaissance man, it must be William H. Whyte. The breadth of his interests, from his children's playgrounds to the hospitals he had to frequent as an aging man, is remarkable. This amateurism (in the best and, I'd like to think, the only legitimate sense of the word) may also have contributed to his essential balance that you both raise: he was an individualist, not a conformist or a nonconformist. I suppose this rejection of extremes was somehow fostered by his own contradictions -- "the buttoned-up prophet of the counterculture," as you remark.

Of course, Whyte's breadth of interests was combined with the depth of his observations. It's almost as if his close look at systems made him see them from an Archimedean point beyond his time and and maybe beyond the cycles that make one time echo another. (In this regard, I loved Pete's expressed hope that our current cry for more civic engagement won't lead to the kind of thorough conformity that The Organization Man catalogued in corporate life and in the lives of the corporations' workers.)

I didn't know who Whyte was before listening to your show. Now he seems like the foundation--both hidden and load-bearing--of so much of what we've come to believe about corporate life, conformity, and urbanism.

How fortuitous for us that Pete's child was taught by Whyte's granddaughter! The interview of her mother, Whyte's child, was all the better because of her observations about her parents' partnership and her own studies in urbanism. I particularly love how she connects triangulation with talking with strangers. She also reinforces what you point out about Whyte's power of observation: he saw much because he seemed not to judge people based on their appearance or socioeconomic status. Her account of his observations about the unprepossessing lady who encouraged people to move along the streets was a case in point. Whyte described her as a connoisseur of the streets who had a sense of how streets worked as human arteries.

With you, I love reading the kind of rigorous ethnographies that you describe him as writing, the writing of that earlier age's "connected critics." I also hope for the rise of the layman as Whyte does at the end of Is Anybody Listening? and as he implied in his wry reaction to opposing counsel cross-examining him on his credentials as an expert.

Another rich, eye-opening, and delightful episode and interview, Pete and Elias. Thank you so much.